Are you (By davidh5 MaleGold MedalBronze TrophySuper Star 4 years ago)

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davidh5 says Gnosticism is knowledge so you either know there is or isn't a deity or deities, or you don't know whether there is or isn't.

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    4 years ago
    ico +4
    If we're only allowing for absolute certainty, the only things to which I hold a gnostic opinion would be the statements "thought exists" and "truth and falsehood exist". So, no, I guess I don't have absolute certainty. However, I do have relative certainty that god, at least as defined in specific ways, does not exist. For example, if god is the creator of the unverse, then god does not exist, because time is part of the universe, and since creation is necessarily a temporal event, time cannot have a creator. In that case, I know that god does not exist with the same certainty that I know time to exist. If we define god merely as a being which oversees the universe, then I am still justified in my belief that it doesn't exist, as I have nothing distinguishing it from the countless things which do not exist. Nevertheless, my certainty that it does not exist cannot be higher than my certainty, for example, that there are no other planets where people speak English. So, where you draw the line distinguishing kNowledge from high certainty is the main issue.
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    4 years ago
    ico
    i feel like I have to give this comment a thumbs up just because it will have taken you so long to type
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Then you'd have to upvote most of the comments that I make.
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    4 years ago
    ico
    you know that some people need TL:DR versions?
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    3 years ago
    ico
    Orcsist MaleGold MedalSuper Star from North Carolina, United States
    Screw you Boasting athiest
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    4 years ago
    ico
    I'd like to keep an open mind XD
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    4 years ago
    ico +1
    I think that a deity exists in the mind of those believing in it, it doesn't exist in the minds of those who don't believe in a deity. I don't believe in a god
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Agnostic theist
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Same!
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Your description is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure no atheist out there 100% knows that a deity doesn't exist! Knowing and believing are two different things! If you don't believe god exists, then you are an atheist. I don't get why people like to over complicate everything! Whats next, a semi agnostic atheism lvl 1-5?
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Yes, knowing and believing are separate, thats why there is a word for believing which is theism and one for knowing; gnosticism. For instance an agnostic atheist doesn't believe in a deity however they don't know that there isn't a deity. On the contrary a gnostic theist not only believes there's a deity but in their logic knows there is. It's a clear distinction that needs to be made.
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    4 years ago
    ico
    I understand your distinguishing of an atheist and a theist, the part that I don't agree with is the part in which you claim that if you are 99% sure of either! you should still be considered a gnostic/agnostic. Because according to logic, no man can ever be 100% sure of whethe a deity exists or not and because of this, the gnostic/agnostic prefix of either are somewhat neutral! I guess what I'm trying to say is that whilst there are those who stand on the fence on whether a deity exists or not (agnostics), anyone who is more than 50%nbiased towards each side should really be considered one or the other. Because no one can physically be 100% sure. Having said that, I do acknowledge that there are those who have a more philosophical view on the matter and are generally more on the fence and should therefore be labelled as agnostic theism or atheism.
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    4 years ago
    ico
    Oh ok, I agree with that. No one can ever be 100%, and I believe no one can ever know. However some say they are 100% and do know. I think Stephen Fry said that anyone that claims to 'know' is either a liar or a fool. It was something along those lines.